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September 9th, 2014, 6:40 pm

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Reply Ultimate Yoshi, September 9th, 2014, 6:40 pm

One last thing that I forgot to mention: If you do have problems with me, I'd at least appreciate you bringing them to my attention instead of forcing me to scour the internet for them without even knowing if they exist and being unpleasantly surprised when I do come across them.

I do hope that I was able to express my thoughts clearly in this, it's been a while since I last typed out my thoughts like this.

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User's Comments:

Reply 8bithuman, September 9th, 2014, 7:00 pm

Unrelated but whatever Oh god, Haters is on the list. Ulti, our prayers rest with you...

Reply Blizzard, September 9th, 2014, 8:56 pm

Ulti, I believe your reviews are great, even if one day I get my comic reviewed and get a bad score I still will hold true to your opinion. You review comics with blunt honesty which I find makes it better! I don't want someone telling me my comic is good when it has major flaws! So I would like to personally thank you, for being honest in your reviews, I enjoy reading them as they give me more insight more my comics.
I also feel terrible about how you were kinda backbited.... It happens alot, but I just want you to know the true fans of this comic will NEVER do that.

Reply willy5000, September 9th, 2014, 9:01 pm

Okay, Ulti.

The real reason that I was offended by the review was a result of one main thing. That last line of your review: "All-in-all, this is not one of the better nuzlockes I've read, or reviewed.", which basically felt like "fuck this comic", to me (also the rating threw me off a little too).
First of all, thanks for doing this. However, while your review did discourage me a bit for awhile, but it did help me realize that my backgrounds needed some serious improvement and I'm very glad that I was able to do that. So it did help me in some ways.

So thanks for taking the time to do this, Ulti. I hope to see some more reviews from you in the future.

Reply zacksims123, September 9th, 2014, 9:21 pm

Thanks, man. I really appreciate you addressing an issue that you totally didn't have to address. I can get behind your 5.5 rating. The beginning of my comic was, aptly put, shit. I really do believe that. I'm sorry for making such a big deal out of it, and SmackJeeves was just kinda feeding the flames when they permanently stuck this review comic in the related section of all of my comics.
Sorry for my harsh words, and thanks again for the second look.

And one more thing, addressing your thing in the comments section: Honestly I felt so bad about my comic that I felt like a baby every time I almost messaged you asking to take the review down. I considered many times talking to you about it, but every time, I just didn't feel like it would help. Because what's a "I'm dissatisfied that you gave my mediocre comic a poor rating" actually going to do?

Once again, thanks for this.

Reply Moon light madness, September 9th, 2014, 9:47 pm

@zacksims123: Drama escalates. O_o
Jk. :D

Reply Therater2, September 10th, 2014, 11:19 am

It's good to know that everyone's on good terms now; and that the comic is continuing.

I know that people get mad when their comic gets reviewed badly, such as Wolfry, but it mostly appears that Ulti wants to see your comic improve, unlike some reviewers. I'm not calling Ulti perfect, but in the end, he's not trying to offend, but to help.

Anyone who considers their comic to be reviewed needs to know this.

Reply Gigi19972010, September 10th, 2014, 2:26 pm

Well, I got some stuff to say, since you said you want to know.
First of all, huh, do you make reviews or give C+C? I'm really confused about what you do in this comic. A review is when you get something done (a movie, a videogame, a book...), watch / play / read it and then, at the end, you write your opinion about it, saying what you liked and what you didn't like. Based on that, you come up with a score. People write reviews so that people, before watching / playing / reading a work can know more about that before actually doing it. Or, sometimes, just to see what someone thinks of that. In other words, you write a review for the audience, not whoever made that work. C+C, on the other hand, is basically getting something done or not done, commenting about it, pointing out negatives and positives, while giving some suggestions. And you do that for the author, not the audience. And no scores are involved. Here in this comic, as far as I know, you give C+C, while giving your opinion and at the end giving a score... This is too confusing, are you reviewing or giving C+C?
I look at the comic description, and you say you will give C+C. You say nothing about scores in the description. However, I saw that "TL;DR" thing. Wait, why is it there? If you give C+C, what do scores have to do with that? Or wait, are you reviewing? But if you're reviewing, why are you reviewing incomplete comics? (You don't review the demo of a game, do you? You review the final game!) So, huh, see what I'm trying to explain here? What is the goal of this comic exactly? To help people giving C+C, or to simply comment on various comics for whatever reason?
Second, maybe you got some experience, but I think you comment on stuff you don't have experience with, like drawn comics. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you only have one drawn comic, and that isn't active. Maybe you can comment well about sprite comics, but you certainly can't do that as well with drawn comics. Not only that, just because you worked on KA for four years it doesn't mean you got plenty of experience. TIME isn't the best reference, really. For instance, I've been drawing for like five years now, and I'm really far from having a lot of experience. And really, saying you aren't just a random guy might be true, but that doesn't change much, really. Maybe someone can suddenly come to SJ and make better reviews than anyone could make, including you. No, I'm not saying you don't have ANY experience, but I think you can't say you got so much experience. Really, that's what I'm trying to say.
And lastly, I already saw many people giving C+C to your comics and you simply ignored them. If you make this comic to give C+C, why are you not accepting C+C from other people, about your comics? Even I did that, and most of the time not only you did not reply, you didn't even take it into consideration. If you want to help people, why not let people help you? You're contradicting yourself. Your comics, mainly KA, need lots of improvement, and many people, like me, know that. However, when we try giving C+C, you don't do a thing. Like seriously, I know lots of people who think that. I don't understand what you're doing, criticizing other people's works while yours need lots of improvement too. It's like you were a math teacher, but you can't multiply. You can teach people to do it, but when you try yourself you can't. Weird, huh?
Yes, I know you answered to some of my C+C some time ago, but that was it really. You know me, I answer to pretty much every single C+C towards my comics, why don't you do the same? It helps a lot with everything, I can't see why you'd avoid doing that.
That's it, really. Honestly, I think you can give C+C well, but these are some things that have been bothering me for a while now. I'll be waiting your reply, Ulti.

Reply CapedLuigisYoshi, September 10th, 2014, 10:02 pm

@Gigi19972010: ...I'm fairly sure reviewing and giving C+C is not mutually exclusive.

Reply Gigi19972010, September 11th, 2014, 2:39 pm


If that's true, explain me why they would need to be mixed up. In other words, why would you need to give C+C AND a score? If you want to help someone, give C+C, you don't need a score. Scores exists so that people when reading reviews can know the summary of the person who wrote the review's opinion. If the point of this comic here is to help people with their comics, why the score? It's extremely unnecessary.

Ulti, where are you? I asked for a reply, it has been one whole day.

Reply J-Ecstas, September 13th, 2014, 6:11 pm

I'm glad I heard about this re-review. It really was off-putting reading some of your reviews over time, because they sort of got more brutal as they went on (truthfully, though, I'm not sure all submissions were entirely serious, so I can understand, perhaps, some of it, ehehe).

Keep doing your best. I still plan on submitting for a review once My own comic is further along.

Reply Therater2, September 14th, 2014, 7:10 am

@Gigi19972010: The score exists to help summarize Ulti's opinion. It may also give incentive for one to improve their comic, that their rating may become higher at a later point.

Reply Ultimate Yoshi, September 14th, 2014, 8:51 am

@Gigi19972010: First of all, I haven't been around on Smack Jeeves with the intent of checking out comments until today, which is why I didn't respond immediately like you wanted.

Anyways, that being said, I'll be honest: I really don't know how to properly respond to what you've said, but I'll try my best.

Issue #1: The rating system contradicts the intent to give criticism, and the comic should use one or the other.

My response: Like CapedLuigisYoshi said, the concept that making reviews and giving criticism is not mutually exclusive. I'm not even the only one who does this, it's kind of a staple of any review comic that's been on Smack Jeeves, whether it's serious or not. But wait, I can't judge something on whether its right or not just because everyone else does it. So why do I not see a problem here? Well, you say that if I want to help people, I don't need a score, just the criticism. I agree with that. But while that is a main goal of this comic, other people DO use this place as a way to find other comics that they like, and a rating system makes it easy to find new comics to read. That's why the TL;DR page exists. Some people just don't want to read a whole bunch of long pages with mostly just text, but still want to find new, good comics to read. While obviously not the main intent, it does benefit other people, it's not just completely useless having ratings like you make it out to be. In addition, like Therater2 said above me, it does also provide a decent way of comparison between other comics, and an incentive to improve. Take, for example, Luigi_96. When I reviewed Re:Booted for the first time, he got a 6. When I re-reviewed him, he got an 8. When I reviewed one of his earliest comics, M&L: Rise of Evil Guy, it got a 1. Now, I could have just said "There's some big improvement here, good job" or "This comic is horrible compared to your later comics", but having the rating system provides a simple and easy way of comparing between other comics/earlier ratings, and it's nice and concise. It gives authors something to strive for and gives readers an easy way of telling if something's good. In conclusion, while I suppose technically unnecessary when only focusing on the main goal of these reviews, the rating system is here to stay as I feel it has way more merit than you give it credit for.

Issue #2: I don't have as much experience making comics as I said I have, and I occasionally talk about things I'm less experienced in.

My response: Well, admittedly, I can't argue that secondary point very well. It's true, I have talked about things I'm less versed in. I have less experience with drawn comics than I do sprited, and admittedly my lack of expertise in making non-serious, very joke-y comics has occasionally hindered me in making reviews and determining if comics are good or not. On your other point, though, I do think I know exactly how much experience I have. Time may not be the sole factor in regards to judging experience, but it certainly helps. Improvement, however, is another important aspect to consider, as well as approval ratings. A person can think they've got experience as much as they want, but if they're not good at what they do, that means nothing. However, I've undeniably been working on sprite comics for almost five years now, and my main comic for about four and a half years. I've been writing them for a long time now, and there have been some obvious improvements that I can state without any sense of bias: zoom-ins have become much better, effects have often changed to be less amateur-esque, character dialogue tries to show more of their actual character, the text itself is more clear and gets less cramped or squished nowadays if at all, et cetera. And personally, I just feel as though I'm writing it better. But that's not just me. How do others feel about my comic? Well, considering it's the most popular active Kirby comic on Smack Jeeves, and one of the most popular sprite comics on Smack Jeeves in general, clocking in currently at 459 official fans and who knows how many guests. Clearly I'm doing something right if it's attracted that many people towards it. So, yes, I'd like to say I'm experienced enough and good enough to be able to give proper critique and advice for sprite comics. But what about drawn comics? You're right, the one drawn comic I put online is currently inactive and didn't update for very long. Do I still really have experience in that manner? Well, when it comes to characterization and writing, it doesn't really change anything, but as far as the art goes, you forget that I'm an artist too. I know a thing or two about drawing, positioning, posing, perspective, a bit of anatomy, et cetera. For anything I don't feel as though I'm qualified to remark about, though, I head to my friends. I've done so in the past in reviews. Let me elaborate: 80% of my Skype friends are extraordinarily good artists, way better than I am, heck, one of them is currently in art college and learning straight from professionals and working with them. I think that I'm all set if there's anything I'm not actually experienced in. Overall, I disagree with your assessment in what I know.

Issue #3: I'm hypocritical, as my comic, Kirby Adventure, has been the target of lots of criticism and I refuse to acknowledge any of it. How can I help others when I don't even accept help myself?

My response: Okay, uh... I don't honestly know what you're talking about. Yes, back in 2011-2012 or so, if we were talking about that, I would agree with you. But nowadays? I honestly barely see criticism ever, and the only ones I ever do get are things that can't really apply to the comic or are just nonsensical. (Someone once complained my text bubbles are "too boring", amongst other things). I legitimately haven't seen anything other than that, and I have no clue what you're talking about when you say "when we try giving C+C, you don't do a thing. Like seriously, I know lots of people who think that." If you really do know a lot of people who have criticism for me, I'd love to meet them, because, and I'm being 100% truthful in saying this, I have never seen them or at the very least don't remember seeing them ever. And that's big for me because I usually have a really good memory when it comes to the most arbitrary things, especially when my own work is concerned. Also, I really don't think you're in a position where you can say that my comic needs lots of improvement. You stopped reading comics over a year and a half ago.
As for not taking criticism, well, here's some examples to prove you wrong in that department. I was given a few complaints about Kirby acting too grumpy lately, so I fixed that at the end of a segment and developed him into a character with a mixture of seriousness and silliness that the character had become known for at that point. People had been complaining about the character Raize, as his personality wasn't very clear. Despite me thinking that it was perfectly fine, I added in some extra development which seemed to do the trick, and in the end it all worked out and nowadays I concede that it was necessary. I've also been following up on reader opinions and suggestions, whether intentional or coincidental, such as focusing a segment on a group of side characters. Anyone who tells me I don't listen to my fans is wrong, really. And I will say: I know my comic isn't perfect. I'm really not a fan of 95% of what I did pre-2013 in Kirby Adventure. The comic needs improvement, but really, what comic doesn't? Every comic can improve, even the most perfect-seeming comics, it's just up to the author if they want to take that chance. And me? I definitely do, and I also want to provide others with the means to do so as well. Yes, I'm not perfect, but that doesn't mean I still can't help others get close.

Reply Gigi19972010, September 14th, 2014, 8:54 am


Not everyone sees a low score as an incentive to improve. It depends on the person, really. Not giving a score would remove that doubt! You would just give suggestions while giving your opinion. Also, I remember seeing some of his reviews and he would give the OPPOSITE of incentive, just before coming up with a score. So huh.
I still fail to see why exactly a score is needed so much. It would be so much easier to just give C+C, and you're already doing what apparently this comic wants to do, help people with their comics.

@Ultimate Yoshi: Are you done writing your reply to my first comment in this page? I'd like to see it.
EDIT: Ninja'd

Reply The Wonderous Kitsu, September 14th, 2014, 9:33 am

This was a very mature thing to do, Ulti. Yes, your criticism has been lacking and it doesn't have much help in it, but it's good that you are realizing this. The quality of your reviews and opinions increase when you address them calmly and helpfully. Kudos to you.

Reply Firecat1311, September 14th, 2014, 12:50 pm

@Ultimate Yoshi: Okay now, something that's been bothering me for a bit is your attitude towards your comic's popularity. You seem to think that "lots of fans + less negatively vocal fans = high quality comic". While it's true that good comics usually have a higher chance of eliciting positive responses, positive responses don't make for a good comic (My first comic got 20 fans and loads of positive comments within the first two pages and it was absolute crap that I never want to see again). The thing is with popularity on the internet is that it works like a snowball rolling down a hill; if a few people like it, then a few more people will be exposed to it, and then the number of people who get exposed to it increases exponentially. Even the least popular comic on smackjeeves could potentially be the best one, it just hasn't had the exposure.
That said, I'm not going to deny that a lot of people seem to be going wild for your comic. But even that isn't such a great indicator of quality. Your comic appeals to them, and I can say it used to appeal to me too; stories focused on "teams" who do "missions" just have a sort of indescribable draw to them among younger teens who are also susceptible to things like tournament arcs, adventurer's guilds, super forms, ninjas, and other anime tropes. Your comic does a great job of drawing in these people, the same way Naruto does with its fans. But does that automatically mean it's a quality comic? There are also a lot of crappy things out there in the real world that people flock to like moths to a flame, either because they don't know better or because they feel more comfortable with going to something that so many other people seem to be going to.
Now, none of this would be too much of a thing to bring up if it weren't for your attitude because of it. You say you've got plenty of experience with comic making due to this comic being so popular, but that isn't really how experience works. You can't get more experienced with something if you keep doing the same thing; in fact it's actually the opposite. The longer you work on this one comic, the more you'll unconsciously start thinking of comic making in terms of "it worked for KA, so it'll probably work again", building up your own set of standards that don't all necessarily have anything to do with actual standards of quality. Experience means challenging yourself to completely unique situations, and it's something that's wide, not deep. Sure you have experience, but it's experience with KA and what makes KA work better in your eyes, not experience with sprite comic making. To have experience with sprite comics you have to have tried and learned about a broader variety of comics and comic styles, which you only really do second-hand.
You say you "honestly barely see criticism ever" in more recent times, but is that really a sign of increasing overall quality? Couldn't it just be a sign that you've driven away all the people who find flaws with your comic because it's been going for so long now? If they don't like the first parts they're probably not going to read through the rest of it just to give good, informed criticism. In addition, after all the popularity snowballing that happened, a lot of potential critics are going to be scared off by the large amount of devoted fans, afraid that they might get lynched or something if they speak their mind in a way that the mob doesn't like. Gigi, for one, was absolutely terrified to post her big comment up there, because she thought that so many of your fans would rush to your defense without taking her points into account first.
Now to conclude this massive wall of text, I'd like to give some of my thoughts on KA, although I will also admit I haven't read through it all the way for reasons I mentioned above. One of the main things that stands out to me is the characters. They seem to be just really flat. Honestly, I don't even remember any characters except Caiya and Kaxo, because none of the others really had traits that stood out to me and made them memorable. But, even with Caiya and Kaxo that memorability isn't necessarily a good thing. The main things that stick in my mind for those characters are just "Caiya has split personalities and likes donuts" (the "lolrandom" character suddenly becoming thoughtful and intelligent is a novel thing, like, once maybe) and "Kaxo likes to burn things" (heedlessly violent characters with such predictably destructive behaviors have very few chances for actual character development). Again, I haven't read through the whole thing so I don't know if any of this has changed, but judging from some other criticisms I've heard, the characters of KA don't seem to have developed much more than their standard personality traits that were introduced in the beginning of the comic. Another criticism I've heard has to do with the amount of chapters that are irrelevant for the overall plot or just kind of come out of nowhere, but again I stopped reading the comic ages ago and can't speak for the chapters I haven't read.
The tl;dr of it all: your attitude and tendency to use your "popularity" to advocate for the quality of your work is problematic because quantity of fans ≠ quality of critics, you can't consider yourself "experienced" in a medium you've mainly only restricted yourself to one facet of for the long-running KA, and just because you don't get criticism often doesn't mean there aren't problems.
Apologies for springing this massive wall of text out of nowhere, but you asked for the people who had problems with your work to step up and here I am.

Reply Ryjora, September 14th, 2014, 5:33 pm

@Ultimate Yoshi: If you're so open to C+C now then lets get started. I'll be discussing your arc ideas, and a few details on your comic KA in general.. Now, I know how it is to be overwhelmed with C+C so feel free to read/reply to this at any time.

1. Take a break on the crossovers man!! Like Jeez! Three crossovers now?? You need to start trying to be more original with this, especially since it's been two crossovers with KDA now. Most of the time, your characters don't forge any key relationships nor do they gain any character development with these crossovers, so they're completely pointless.

2. Never, EVER EVERRRR change font and randomly switch into italics unless used for short emphasis. Because looking at this is really obnoxious to read.

3. A lot of the time you introduce non-main characters just to let the main characters do something. Like Ryka to explain the personalities of the cast, and Keeby to die.

4. WHERE IS THE MAIN VILLAINS?! I haven't been keeping up to KA 100%, but unless they happen to be in the latest chapter you haven't included them in nearly 2 years!!

5. Okay so it's a little bit late for KA, but in the future, please refrain from using characters that look exactly the same and only have very minor differences in color. Like seriously, and if you DO for some reason, don't have MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of them. When you have to start using the same color in different shades for characters, there's TOO MANY. Even if you just do something cheap like give some of them hair or maybe just give some of them a cool weapon or maybe a custom hat or ANYTHING. Putting EFFORT to make your characters UNIQUE isn't BAD.


Sorry I started getting a little frustrated there.

6. There comes a time when all comics need to end. KA is a bit past it's expiration date. When you make a comic, you need to learn when you need to end it. There is no obvious ending for KA because the main villains have been retired from the comic for an indefinite amount of time. It would be assumed that when Kirby and his friends beat up the main villains they'd be done and it would end. But this is being dragged on and on and on and it's starting to get cumbersome. The ideas don't even make SENSE any more, and it needs to have a big storyline that can easily be set up early and isn't dragged on from it's intended purpose. Homestuck does a very good job at this and makes all the characters act unique to each other and look different enough to be distinguished.

7. You are a fairly talented artist.

Like oh my GOD! If KA was a drawn comic it would look SO MUCH BETTER. Even if you had to use sprited backgrounds, it would be better than the way sprites look most of the time. Drawing is much better at making emotions obvious to the reader. Though it takes more time, it's worth it in the end just to have a decent looking comic.

Okay, I think i'm done. Please consider the things I have said to you.

Reply Alienoid, September 15th, 2014, 2:04 pm


Reply Therater2, September 15th, 2014, 2:46 pm

@Firecat1311: I get most of what you're saying, but he's run KA for years now! And yet you still say he has little experience? Yes, I know, broadening your work in the field is important, but I think that running a comic for this great length of time should count for something.

Reply Firecat1311, September 15th, 2014, 4:13 pm

@Therater2: Yeah, like I said, I'll admit he has experience with KA, but long-running comics tend to end up developing their own rules and standards, which don't always apply to other comics. There's only so much "general experience" you can get from doing one thing until it starts becoming "specialized experience".
Specializing isn't necessarily a bad thing, but if one person specializes in one thing then they can't really say much about how other people do their thing. The spray-painter in a car factory assembly line probably isn't going to want to deal with advice from the tire-maker.

Reply Therater2, September 17th, 2014, 8:55 am

@Firecat1311: I see now.

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Reply Gigi19972010, October 11th, 2014, 10:32 pm

@Ultimate Yoshi:

Sorry for taking a while to reply, I had lots to write and I was busy. And yeah, I suppose I can't complain about you taking a while, I'm sorry for being a bother.
Anyway, let's go.

1- I suppose that, about that, I don't have anything else to say. Honestly, I think this form of "reviewing" that SJ has is extremely weird. If it was really very effective, it would be used in other places, and we wouldn't see some people giving C+C while others would actually review. But I can't make you change how you review, so yeah, keep doing that if you want, but I don't like it. If there's a main reason why I never asked you to review any of my comics, it's because I think giving C+C only (like what you do sometimes in the comments themselves sometimes) is a lot better than asking for a "review". I don't know if you get it, but in the "review" form, you get like a higher position than the author of the comic. When you do that in the comments, it feels like everyone is in the same level, and it's a lot better to discuss issues and ideas.

2- Huh, no. You're making extremely wrong relationships.
Well, I think Fire already explained this extremely well, so if you want to know about me, I agree with what he said about your view of experience. It's extremely...skewed. If you have a work that's popular, that doesn't mean you get lots of experience. Two simple examples, just to illustrate even better. First one: suppose I've never written a story before. One day, I wake up, have an idea, write a book and publish it. In weeks, my book is the most popular book of the moment. Now think for a moment: just because my book is popular, it means I got tons of experience? Heck no! Making that relationship makes no sense. I was just lucky to publish a book that appealed to many people, and that's all. Second example, and this one is also connected to the internet. I got an IRL that draws really well. However, she very rarely posts her work in the internet. Meanwhile, there are tons and tons of people around the world, at around the same age as her, that draw as well as her, but they post their art in the internet often. They get popular, while my friend doesn't. Now I ask you: who draws better? Who has more experience with drawing? You're supposed to answer: I don't know! Popularity is not a good reference for quality or experience of the artist. Fire explained well the snowball effect of the internet. So no, talking about experience, quality, and stuff related to that is not that simple. There are too many factors that influence them, and you can't just get one, and use it as a reference, completely ignoring the others. That's manipulating arguments in your favor. Please don't do that.

3- ...
What, really?
...You're joking, right?
Because, man, if you're telling the truth, you're admitting that you don't read comments from your comics. But if you don't, how come I remember you answering some comments? More than that, I remember having more than one comment directed to you in some pages, and you'd answer only one. You would choose the comments to answer. In other words, you would only answer the comments that interested you. ...Unless I have an extremely bad memory.
But ok, let's believe in you. If that's the case, and you're really telling the truth, go read all the comments from your comics, mainly KA. There are people who asked you questions about multiple things, there are people who gave C+C, there are people who pointed out mistakes, there are so many comments you never replied to! Sometimes, it's even just a matter of being POLITE. Say thanks, answer to some comments, even if it's just a matter of interacting with the fans! I remember reading your comics and feeling like you were so distant to the fans. Yes, I know you improved with time, but I still feel that. Even here, in this very review comic, in one of the latest reviews, when someone asked why you weren't updating, I felt that. You're going to say that you answered that and explained it. I know you did. But when someone asked if you were in a mini-hiatus now, no reply. I'm gonna sound somewhat picky, but hey, clicking the reply button, typing "Yes." and hitting Submit is so hard, right? Yes, I know the answer to that question is obvious, but ignoring is a lot worse than replying! And I'm not saying it only because of that case: if I saw you doing that recently, what am I going to conclude? That you still ignore comments! And what for? You get distant to your fans! It doesn't matter that much that one time you'll make a page in your comic to show fans that you listen to them, if most of the time you don't! So, if you want to change, change NOW. Start replying to ALL comments that ask for a reply, no matter how silly the question is. I don't know how many comments you usually reply nowadays, but I know it's not all. So work on that. And you know what, from what I know? There are many people that are afraid of you, or that don't even bother telling you some stuff. I wonder why? Well, maybe it's because you feel distant to the fans, and because most of the time you don't reply to comments? Hmm, I gotta feeling that's it. Not exactly sure, though.
And oh, in that same page, the author of the comic you reviewed asked for like suggestions, instead of only pointing out flaws, but you never replied to that. Yes, I know now you admitted you were wrong and gave them suggestions, but why couldn't you do that much before...? It feels like you waited for things to get worse, so that you could make a big deal about it by making this page. This even reminds me of when you answered some C+C / complaints from me and Jarkes in KA by making a page, instead of simply replying to our comments, which would've been much easier. Again, making a page sorta makes you go on a higher position, but I don't understand why you would do that all the time. It feels like you want to call all your fanbase's attention in your favor...
...Sorry I got a little harsh in here. Let's continue and finish this.
I'd comment about KA but I think I wouldn't be much help. I have stopped reading comics (and it was around one year and three months ago, not over one year and a half), I know. However, I just want to point out I felt for sure KA needed improvement. Honestly, right now, I can't tell exactly what, and I think Fire and Ryjora explained some points already. So, if you want my opinion about it, take what they say into consideration, and remember that just because your comic is popular it doesn't mean you're that great. Just look at me, I'm pretty much the same as you, and I don't think I could help people with all sorts of comics.

Oh, and just one more thing, and I just came across your latest review, and man, it was so biased. You clearly told us you don't like the kind of jokes the comic uses, that you don't laugh at the jokes, that you think the jokes are stupid... Pointed out one continuity error... Pointed out the lack of zoom most of the time (that still happens a lot in your comic, based on what I heard)... And that was it. Oh, and you didn't read the whole comic, or even tried hard to. Well, that's not the attitude of a reviewer. A reviewer must be as unbiased as possible, and should be ready to review anything, so yeah, you can't skip pages because the comic didn't interest you. So, well... If you want to help people, you should be ready to face anything, and try to understand the author, at the very least. And you're not doing that all the time.

I'll be waiting for your replies, to my comment, Firecat1311's and Ryjora's. Sorry if I was too rude at some times, but I felt it was needed.

Reply Therater2, October 12th, 2014, 1:43 pm

@Gigi19972010: I agree with you that Ulti should read the entire comic that he is reviewing. I also agree that Ulti should talk to his fans more. Your analogies, though, fall short. Your first one about writing a popular book is null because Ulti had to gain fans and experience over time. Your other analogy is more acceptable, but it's not a more famous artist's fault that your friend has not gotten exposure via the Internet!

Please correct me if I am in error.

Reply Gigi19972010, October 12th, 2014, 2:17 pm


I'm not saying those analogies are Ulti's cases, I'm just trying to explain how popularity, experience and quality are not always related. Also, in the second one, I'm not saying it's other people's fault that my friend is not known, I'm just saying that, just because someone never shows their work around, it doesn't mean they aren't good. They just aren't popular, and that's completely different. For example, maybe the most popular artist of the internet is a lot worse than some artist that lives in the middle of nowhere and no one knows they exist.

Reply Ultimate Yoshi, October 13th, 2014, 7:50 pm

I suppose I've put this off long enough.

@Firecat1311: Okay... I can see the reasoning behind some of your points. The main thing I question is why you seem to think that, as you put it, "it worked for me, it'll work for them", is a problematic viewpoint. For one thing, I generally even say this in my reviews with certain pieces of advice, specifying that this way is how I personally would do something. Does that make it the only way? Heck no. It's the way I know best and so if I feel it might help, it'll be what I suggest. But I don't get why you think that what I've done is not going to work at all. Kirby Adventure is not so out-there that it's a thing of its own unique standing, heck, I'll be the first to admit it's got a fairly generic set-up and conception. It's like a jack-of-all-trades comic, specializing in nothing but doing several different ideas. I say I have plenty of experience because Kirby Adventure isn't just one simple comic. I experiment within its walls, I change the focal point, I try out more story-focused, or more character-driven ideas, I do silly and random stuff. You're envisioning Kirby Adventure as something that it just flat out isn't, and I'm not rehashing anything when it comes to that comic. It's not "just the same thing" over and over again.
When it comes to the popularity side of things, you're missing one major aspect. Not everything that's good is popular, and I get that. There are plenty of good things out there that don't get a lot of attention. But in order to become popular in the first place, you've got to make something that is good. Unless you're Family Guy, you can't be something that is bad if you're popular. This is a concept that both you and Gigi are either ignoring or not grasping, but it's a truth. People may flock to something, but there's a reason for that. Sure, that something may not be for everyone, but in those cases that something just isn't made for those people in mind.
I never tried to make out not seeing criticism as a good thing. In fact, I would love to see more of it. Your scenario is possible, and certainly seems like the case in, well, your case, but anyone who would actually care about giving a proper criticism would take that time to at least see if there's any improvement later on if they can't sit through the whole thing. Clearly, the people you're talking about don't care enough about the comic, so why should I care? Criticism is given by people who do care, at least enough to want something to improve. From what I can tell, you don't seem to want the comic to actually improve, you just want me to know that you dislike it. Which is fine, I can handle being disliked, and your reasons are legitimate reasons to dislike the comic, but in a similar fashion to what I said earlier, I'm not making the comic for everyone. Not everyone will like it, and that's fine. The people who do will either be content with what they get or will tell me issues so that it can indeed improve, which it has. Those character issues you talk about? Since you didn't keep reading, I'll just let you know that I have indeed worked extensively on characterization (and am still doing so), and I don't plan on stopping anytime soon.

@Ryjora: Alright, bucko, you've got a list and I've got answers, but you're not going to like them.

1. You clearly don't pay attention, considering I've just stated that this third crossover will be my last, or at least, last for a very long time. And the last crossover did indeed have some key character development. And besides, the point of the crossovers in general was never to forge major relationships, it was to have fun temporarily mixing worlds and having characters meet. You're expecting way too much out of simple concepts.

2. You clearly didn't pay attention here either, considering I immediately stopped doing that. You don't think I figured out that it wasn't a good thing to do?

3. I may introduce certain characters for specific use, but I... really don't see why that's a bad thing? It's not as if I make these characters devoid of personality or any other purpose. Sure, Keeby was introduced solely to die, you've got me there, but your other example of Ryka makes no sense considering her characterization and usage is WAY more expansive than your short summary lets on.

4. Patience is a virtue. The villains are not the focus of the comic. They exist, they will show up, but the focus of the comic is on the protagonists, not their fights against the villains.

5. On this front, I completely agree with you. It's always best to have characters that differ from one another visually. I really don't have any arguments to make here, I just keep my characters the way they are for consistency's sake. Blame the 2010 me for their uninspired recolor designs.

6. Wow, thanks. You're totally misunderstanding the point of Kirby Adventure here. There's no obvious ending for Kirby Adventure because it's a segmented, adventure-esque comic. It's almost like a TV show in that regard. You're expecting something to be done that doesn't necessarily need to be done. I absolutely have to have a big, set-up storyline now? Since when was THAT a requirement for comics? If you're looking for something like Homestuck, why don't you just reread Homestuck? I write my comic in a segmented fashion with ideas that only you seem to think don't make any sense (unless you're referring to the story with Etam), and if you want something else, read something else with that rather than trying to make me change the way I do things to fit your interests.

7. Thanks for the backhanded compliment. I'll give you a news flash: the visuals aren't the focal point of Kirby Adventure. Sure, I could draw it, but what would be the point? Sure, I could add in more effects, more visual additions, but what would be the point? I focus Kirby Adventure on the writing and the characters, not what it looks like. I create the visuals that are necessary for enjoyment, but I always stick to a theme of simplicity. I agree that drawings make emotions easier to see, but wouldn't you then consider it a greater challenge to express those emotions with sprites? I edit when I need to, but simplicity is a major aspect of Kirby Adventure. I'm sorry, but you're missing the point if this is one of your arguments. Could Kirby Adventure look much better? Of course. Do I have the skill to pull that off? Definitely. Is it necessary? Nope. Do I want to do that? Not really.

@Firecat1311: In response to your second comment, I just really want to say that your analogy makes no sense. A more apt one considering what you're trying to convey would be someone who has made several movies in totally different genres, and someone who has made several moves in one or maybe two genres.

@Gigi19972010: I'm gonna ignore the whole repeat of Firecat's popularity thing again, because I already addressed that earlier.

I think I understand what you're trying to do now, Gigi. After reading the rest of what you've said, I'm pretty certain I've got it all figured out. You're being all humble and trying to make me out to be the bad guy in all this. You've been calling me a hypocrite since pretty much day 1 of this review comic, and now it's escalated. I'm a human being, I sometimes forget to reply or just flat out miss comments. You're expecting me to do what you do. You're trying to get me to use your reply system, you're trying to make me feel underqualified to an extreme degree, you're trying to make me out to be someone who doesn't care. Misinterpreting silence, claiming me as picky, lazy, someone who half-asses my work. You have no clue what you're talking about.

You act as if you know me, and everything about me. As if you've got me all figured out, and you're the one with all the answers. How about you quit putting words in my mouth when there weren't any? I don't see the need to reply to every single comment, and sometimes, contrary to what you seem to think, I CAN just forget to reply to something or miss something. And I make pages like this rather than simple replies because when it has gotten rather bad, simple comments wouldn't do. If there are complaints or criticisms that I take note of, others besides those complaining may have them. I make the pages so that everyone can see, not just those I replied to. It's not about putting me on a so-called "higher position", it's about allowing everyone to see the answers rather than a select few who may happen to notice.

As I've said in the past, it's impossible to do reviews without bias. It's all opinion-based, no matter how hard you try. Every single opinion has bias. Now, of course, I do try, but I'm sorry if it slips through. I like Kirby games, if I were to review Kirby games, of course they'd score high. I dislike Call of Duty games, were I to review one, I'd do the best of my ability to judge the game fairly but of course I would think Kirby games are better. ANYONE who reviews admits to bias, even actual professional reviewers. Clearly if you're complaining this much about bias, you don't understand what you're talking about. Reviewers should be as unbiased as possible, yes, but you're acting as if I just looked at one page of the comic and refused to read the rest. I looked through pages later on to find improvement, I read for a good while uninterrupted before finally resorting to skipping around, and I'm sorry if that "anything" you're saying I should be ready to face includes a steady supply of comics of bad quality. Honestly, I find that whole last paragraph of yours to be hilarious. You're the one claiming I'm the hypocrite, that I'm the one talking about things I don't have experience in, and here you are, trying to tell ME the best way to review things, trying to say that you know how to review better than I do, when you have no prior experience in it. Who's the hypocrite now?

You may have noticed that as this comment proceeded, I started to get much more snarkier and annoyed as a whole. I'll be honest, I think it's because I hit a breaking point. Firecat had some legit responses and criticism, but Ryjora and Gigi, you two... you're just trying to make me do things to better suit your interests and what YOU view as being right. Why should your opinion outweigh mine? If you want something, don't try and change other people to make them better suited to what you're looking for. Criticism is expected, encouraged, and probably even warranted in my case, but I definitely wouldn't consider this criticism. And in the end, all I have to say is "go ahead". You want to take this response as proof that I am indeed the worst thing to happen to Smack Jeeves, that I'm a so-called disgrace to the community, or that I "refuse to listen to criticism"? Go right ahead. I don't care anymore. You want to hate me, or hate my comic? Or if hate is too strong a word, simply dislike? By all means, get in line with Wolfry and Master_72. I just don't care. Why? Because I know that all three of you are pretty close friends, or at the very least you're all in a Skype chat together in regards to that Void Misadventures comic. You're just one group of friends with likeminded interests and opinions. If I happen to piss you off, go ahead and complain all about me in your chatroom, heck, I'm sure you do already. But when/if I anger you guys, that's all I'm angering here. The people whose opinions I care about and truly respect? They're fine with me and what I do. I don't care anymore if you guys hate me. To put it simply:

I'm done.

Any further comments on this page, I'm not going to be responding to, unless they pertain to something unrelated to this specific comment.

Reply Firecat1311, October 13th, 2014, 8:50 pm

@Ultimate Yoshi: Well, sorry for bothering you so much, but you misunderstood my comment on one point. I never said you thought "if it worked for me, it'll work for them", I said that the usual course of development for people who only work on one thing is for them to start using it as their primary standard for quality.
Also, sorry again, but your definition of "good" might be a bit flawed there. You mentioned Family Guy as something that's bad but popular, but, well, there's absolutely no way that could possibly be the only thing that's popular but not good. If there's a substantial group of people who find things wrong with something a lot of people like, that doesn't always only just mean "it's just not for them", it means that there could be problems that the main group of fans aren't seeing or choose not to see.
Also, another thing you got wrong was me not wanting the comic to improve. I do want it to improve, whether I'm going to read it or not. If there's any one main thing I'm interested in the most in this world, it's stories. Good, unique, original stories. There's literally never been a case where I've ever wanted anything but for a story to improve, if its not already the best it can be. I won't be trying to read the rest of or follow KA any time soon, because it's just not my thing (as you said), but I still don't hope for anything other than its eventual improvement.
(a bit of a note here, I've gotten testimonies from multiple people saying that the character issues I mentioned have not been sufficiently or consistently fixed yet, but that's them, not me)

Triple apologies, as I did see you said you were done replying, but, sorry again, cutting it off like that might not be the most mature thing to do.

One last note, for the record, although I am friends with Ryjora and Gigi, I'm not really extremely close friends with them. My opinions on KA were formed separately from theirs, heck, I didn't even read their comments.

Reply CapedLuigisYoshi, October 13th, 2014, 9:20 pm

@Firecat1311: "you misunderstood me on one point"

*lists three points instead of one*

I mean, I know Family Guy isn't the only example of a bad popular thing (there's quite a lot, actually), but I feel like it doesn't apply so much in this scenario because Kirby Adventure is not bad. I wouldn't say it's the best comic out there, but that doesn't make it bad.

Reply Firecat1311, October 13th, 2014, 9:24 pm

@CapedLuigisYoshi: oh yeah, sorry, I sort of wrote the comment as I went along instead of planning it ahead of time. I'll fix that.
Now, I know no final agreement will ever really be made on whether KA is good or bad, but I do still feel like saying my point doesn't apply because of a personal opinion is a bit of a stretch.

edit: actually, looking back at my comment, that one point was the only thing he misunderstood from my comment, the other things were just other general misconceptions.

Reply Sapar, October 15th, 2014, 4:32 pm

I'm not really argue with or against anyone, but I thought of something interesting that should probably be taken into consideration.

Firecat, you said that it's a good idea to generalize your abilities and what you can do, and that Ulti is more of a specialist. Ulti, you said that you try to do that within your comic, and experiment often.

Personally, I think that whether or not you generalize the focus of you comic is a matter of what you want: whether you want a bunch of "meh" fans, or a few really loyal ones. You see, when the idea behind a comic is more general, encompassing a wider number of ideas and topics, it's going to attract a wider number of people, because the chances are higher that something they like will be in that comic. However, this also means that a large part of the comic will be composed of ideas that they're not inerested, or at least less so. They'll come around and read your comic, but chances are there are other ones they'd like to see instead.

On the other hand, keeping your focus more narrowed will mean that a smaller amount of people are hooked in. However, what the comic DOES focus on will be that much more likely to resonate with those readers, keeping them at your comic for a longer period.

Like I said, I'm not here to join the arguement, just state my thoughts. However, I will say this: I am very loyal to Ulti, perhaps because of his specializing, but for a large part because he's what brought me to this community in the first place. Thus, I put a lot of stock in his opinions.


I am also an avid reader of both 20TK and VMA, and hold a lot of respect for Firecat, Gigi, and Ryjora, along with their opinions. Therefore, I'm not going to force my opinions on either party.

Thank you for reading yet another long comment.

Reply Gigi19972010, October 19th, 2014, 3:30 pm

@Ultimate Yoshi:

...Well, that escalated quickly.
I'm still trying to understand why you replied Fire and Ryjora' concerns sorta calmly, and to all of them, but then when it comes to my reply you suddenly burst into anger for no reason... And don't talk about all I said. At the very least, that's a lot rude from your part. What did I do wrong? I gave you some suggestions, like all the times we've discussed? Oh.
But really, what gives you the right to be a jerk like that? I wasn't a jerk to you. One time or another I wrote something rude, but at least I said sorry! And it was one time or another, not a whole reply. Like seriously.
Whatever, being rude or not you still talked about SOME of my concerns, misunderstanding pretty much all of them, and let me reply to them.
I'm trying to make you look like a bad guy? What? WHAT?! All I did was point out some facts, tell my opinion about them and give you some suggestions. If this mix made you look like a bad guy, huh, sorry? That wasn't my intention? Really? You thought I would try to make you look like a bad guy on purpose? Aren't we friends or something? Or all this time you saw me as a foe?
Yes, I called you a hypocrite but that was 2013. This is the year of 2014. You said yourself once people change their opinions with time, then why bring something I said one year ago to this?
I never said you're supposed to NEVER forget to reply to a comment. I do that sometimes too, but when I remember I reply to them.
"My reply system"? Huh, what? Now I'm the only person on the internet that actually cares about replying to comments that needs to be replied? I only told you to reply to more comments, not because I think you should be like me, because it's a matter of being polite! Yeah, I'll need to repeat myself: there are lots of people that are AFRAID of you not replying to them, are AFRAID of being ignored by you. If it was only my opinion, only I would feel that. But that's not the case. Therater2 himself just said he feels you should talk to your fans more often. So how is that me trying to make you use "my reply system"?
Like I said, my intention wasn't to make you feel like trash, and I'm sorry if that happened.
I honestly don't understand what you mean when you say that I think I know everything about you. For example, saying that you don't reply to many comments is a fact any good observer knows, there's no need to be an expert about you.
How am I acting like I hold all answers? All I did was express my opinion, and explain why I don't agree with some of yours. For instance, if I believed I hold all answers, how would I even agree with things you said if that's not what I said before? Look at my reply before this one. I admitted your form of reviewing works, but I said it wasn't the best. Before, I thought it didn't work. You explained me, and oh, I changed my opinion about it and admitted it works! Man, I really hold all answers.
What words did I put in your mouth again? I really can't think of any.
You may not see the need to reply to every single comment? Ok, I'll admit I exaggerated when I talked about that. But what about you try replying to more comments? Like I said, I'm not the only one who thinks it would be a nice idea for you to do that, so why not consider it? Because you haven't told me why you think it's better not to reply to comments.
Yeah, I already said that I didn't say you can't forget about replying to some comments. But I also said last reply that you should go back to see the comments you missed.
Ok, now I understand why you make these pages. However, think for a moment. You say you do something like that when things get "serious". So, this one page here exists because things have gotten serious. Things have gotten serious because those two authors said something about your reviews outside this comic and you saw it. But they only did that because you never explained to them before. And you didn't tell them because you simply didn't reply to their comments. Conclusion: this page wouldn't need to exist if you replied to their comments before. Want a better proof that replying to comments is useful?
Also, while I understand why you make these pages now, it doesn't change the fact that it places you in a higher position. If I'm really wrong, prove me wrong.
I know every review will have bias, my problem was the amount of bias in that review. Too much focused on one single fact that you disliked about that comic. Remember that IGN review of Kirby Triple Deluxe, that only said that the game was easy? You did that, but saying you didn't like the jokes. That comic is meant to be silly, just read its title, just like Kirby is meant to be easy. So don't pick on one of its core characteristics and complain about it, giving a low score only because of that. You said yourself to Ryjora that KA is meant to be segmented, would you like me to make a review of KA and give it a low score because it's segmented?
I know what you did, but you still didn't read the whole comic. Imagine commenting about a movie you started skipping scenes. Pretty sure you'll miss a lot.
Ok, stop now. There's a difference between someone creating a webcomic to review any kind of webcomics and someone trying to point out some basic flaws on amateur reviews. If you created this webcomic, you believe you have the ability to make reviews and actually help people, with ANY kind of comic. That's not something anyone can do. But then I read one review, find one OBVIOUS flaw on it and tell you that. "You don't have experience with reviews, so how can you know a basic mistake?", are you going to tell me that? Really? To put it simply: in order to make a review of a webcomic you need to know A LOT about making a review, working with characters, developing plots, making good looking panels... And the list goes on. Now, what do you need to know to see that a review is too biased? You need to know what a review that is too biased looks like. Well, guess what, I happened to see IGN's KTD review, that was too biased. So, huh, why do I need experience with making reviews to realize that a review was too biased again? You're comparing two completely different aspects. And to answer the question: I don't know who the hypocrite is now, but I'm sure it's not me.
"you're just trying to make me do things to better suit your interests and what YOU view as being right." Ok, err... What? What are my interests?! I don't even read comics anymore! I'm trying to help YOU, not me! We don't even talk anymore exactly, so what you do doesn't affect me anymore! (Unless you count your comments on my comics, but this is not the focus of this discussion at all.) I wrote all these walls of texts in order to help you! And you go and say I'm trying to make you act to better suit my interests... Ok. Remind me to never try to help you anymore. And yes, this is what I view as being right... But isn't a discussion all about that? I say what I think it's right and you say what you think it's right, and we try to come up with a conclusion? If you think I'm wrong, prove me that, jeez!
And then, you start saying I hate / dislike you.
I wasted so many minutes writing these ridiculous long comments, trying to show you my view, trying to make you look to some facts in another perspective, trying to help you, and instead of agreeing with me or proving me wrong via logic, you make this gigantic rant and then start saying that I hate you?!
...You know what, I give up.
Do whatever you want. Make whatever you want with your comics. Think whatever you want of me. Because if in three years all you did was ignore most of my suggestions, while I never understood why, you're REALLY not worth my time.
Oh, and thanks for being so kind to me. "The people whose opinions I care about and truly respect? They're fine with me and what I do." So you don't care about my opinions, so you don't respect me. That was very clear in your reply. I wonder what it would look like it you didn't mind cursing.
I know you'll be ignorant enough not to reply to anything else after your comment, but well, it's your choice, what am I gonna do? I don't even know if you read all that completely ignoring my points. Again, a pro on replying to comments: I won't ever know what you thought of what I just said just because you won't reply to it. And please don't go tell me that you actually don't care when people don't reply to something you think should be replied, because many people care, and it's not about what YOU think, it's about what most people think. Is this too hard to understand?
I don't hate you, but reading your comment made me feel like all my attempts to help you were merely "solved" with you slapping my face and saying "Shut up".
See you in my comics, I guess, because even though you were a jerk like that to me I still appreciate when you give C+C to my comics.

Reply Therater2, October 23rd, 2014, 12:36 pm

@Gigi19972010: So, he's a 'jerk'? He's a jerk because he got fed up with everyone being so against him? If you had multiple people writing reports about how bad you are, how would you react? I certainly wouldn't look at those comments over and over again. Yes, I know, Ulti was somewhat harsh in his last comment, but that's because, in his own words, 'I hit a breaking point.'
Another issue: You talk about how you are trying to help him with these walls of text, and I believe you. But writing it in such a negative way and telling him 'you're a jerk' and 'you're REALLY not worth my time' is not helping whatsoever. Plus, it proves his point about 'you hate/dislike me.'
I don't dislike you. I just want you to know that respectfulness is important even for the harshest critic. Ulti mostly has respect for comics and their authors. And as I explained earlier, he seems to have a big problem only when people are really badgering him. Like the average human being.

Sorry if I sounded disrespectful. I hope I did not.

Reply Gigi19972010, October 29th, 2014, 5:02 pm


I didn't say he's a jerk, I said he was a jerk in that comment.
Also, if there's something I've learned in my life, it's not to discuss / talk / express your opinion when you're angry, because you'll say lots of things that make no sense and things will only get worse. I'm not denying that this whole situation could make Ulti angry, and I'm just saying he didn't need to be that rude. Like I already said before, he said lots of things that didn't make sense, and the discussion stopped moving foward. If he had stopped for a while and only replied later, I'm sure he would be less angry. Before I replied to all these comments here, I thought many times, I waited, I didn't write anything when I was angry, because I didn't want this to turn out like it did.
And well... This is not the first time I wanted to help Ulti. It started with one comment there and another there in his comics, with no reply or nothing that big. With time, some stuff annoyed me at some point that I had to express my opinion more, all being careful about not being rude or making a big deal about it. These turned into some discussions that most of the time ended out of nowhere and, after some time, none of us changed a thing about we had discussed. At least, in my view. Then I stopped reading comics last year. One day one of my friends, Tater, told me he wanted his old comic to be reviewed here, and I offered to ask the review for him. After a while, he said the review was coming soon, so I kept checking the archive here to see the review, because I was curious. Then, I see this page being posted. After reading Ulti's comment saying he would rather have people talking about problems they have with him with him rather than behind his back, I decide to point out some issues I had with him but I was never bold enough to talk. So, huh, as you can see, that first comment didn't come out of nowhere, there was a loooooong context behind it.
At this point, I decided to be a lot more honest. Honesty is not always a bad thing. Honesty is what actually makes me wonder about my acts, even though sometimes it may hurt. But it's a lot better to know the truth than to pretend it's alright. Sure, pretending is a lot easier and has a great outcome, but it's not the best option. So, the other times I was a lot more moderate and now I was way more honest, what caused me to act a bit more... Harshly? Yeah, probably it. Believe me, I'm not the type to go all wild against a person in the first time when discussing something, I always try to be polite and go calmly. But if that doesn't work...
So, I never said he's a jerk, and I only said "you're REALLY not worth my time" because of the context of "if in three years all you did was ignore most of my suggestions, while I never understood why", like I explained. This whole deal is a lot more complex than you imagine.
And like I've said, again, respectfulness is my main priority in pretty much everything. Everyone that knows me well knows that I'm an "idiot" when it comes to respect others and being nice, I only don't do that when I'm angry, and that's why I always try to calm down when I'm raging.
And yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't dislike me. Like what I was doing with Ulti, you're discussing with me some points, and you're only trying to help me.
And I can't deny you were somewhat disrespectful, but again, like I said, sometimes being honest is a lot better than pretending that everything is fine, and by being honest you may sound a bit harsh, that's only natural.
(Maybe I used lots of phrases that are grammatically incorrect, and I'm so sorry if I did.)

(Also, judging by some really quick look I made in this comic before posting this, you're not ignoring all I said, Ulti, and thank you. Or maybe you aren't doing this because of me. I guess I'll never know.)

Reply Therater2, November 12th, 2014, 6:47 am

@Gigi19972010: I have nothing left to say but this- if you didn't want Ulti to give an angry response, why were you pushing him for it earlier? "Ulti, where are you? I asked for a reply, it has been one whole day."

Reply Gigi19972010, November 12th, 2014, 2:14 pm


That was fear of not getting a reply. Like I said before, some people are afraid of getting ignored by Ulti, and I'm one of them, even if we're friends. Maybe that wasn't the best thing to do, but I did that mostly to make clear that I wanted a reply for reals. As you may have noticed, as soon as he replied the first time I stopped asking for replies. I knew he was up for discussion, so keep pressing was pointless. If I wanted to annoy him just for the sake of annoying, I'd have kept doing that. And I even apologized about it to him in my reply to his first reply; I was sorta stupid, and I have to admit that.

Reply misenjai, February 20th, 2017, 9:49 am

Even though you haven't been active on this for a while now, your review style and layout has really inspired me and my templates for reviews, so I really hope you do come back one day because your reviews, while harsh at times, are still pretty good and helpful.

Reply Master_72, November 16th, 2017, 1:40 am

I'm just swinging by here because I literally just noticed drama went down and I wasn't even around to see it. And it was like, 3 years ago.

M&N's was never really designed to be a longstanding review format. I'm pretty sure Broblade and I conceived it out of some kind of joke we both found funny and decided to run with it. It was essentially a parody of comic review comics without any actual focus on the reviewing, but as time went on and we gained traction, I think we half-thought we might be able to take it somewhere? Shrug, idk. It was a long while ago.

Broblade and I haven't spoken to each other in over a year. We're pretty much past this whole thing. I just felt like I should probably drop my 2 cents in on my side of the story at the time just for any potential future readers. Peace out.

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